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Wednesday, September 17, 2008

Proselytizers deserve to be

"We may define "faith" as the firm belief in something for which there is no evidence. Where there is evidence, no one speaks of "faith." We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence. The substitution of emotion for evidence is apt to lead to strife, since different groups, substitute different emotions."
— Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

Now no matter what you of a certain religion think, those of us not following, I repeat NOT FOLLOWING your line of thought shall not burn in whatever place you designate us to be(which is so funny). Therefore there is no need for you to bring us "on to the right path". That is an extremely bigoted thought and no one will thank you for that.

"People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them."
— Dave Barry

I hope you take note of these few things.

1.You know how many religions there are? Last count, there are over 25 of them. How many have you tried to understand? How many of them the names of which you even know of? You only have the right to preach to me about yours being the "right" or "true" religion once you understand and opened your mind to others.

Your version of heaven and hell may not apply to the rest of your co-inhabitants of earth. Imagine that if I will burn in "your" hell if I don't follow your religion. Well, you will very well burn in "my hell" if you don't follow mine. Get it? By this rule there will be more flames to go around than a arsonist's heaven on earth!

"The God of hell should be held in loathing, contempt and scorn. A god who threatens eternal pain should be hated, not loved; cursed, not worshipped. A heaven presided over by such a god must be below the meanest hell."
— Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899)

2. You know a certain book used to state within that: the sun revolves around the earth? That was the accepted "gospel" truth and people who believed otherwise are branded witches etc. and hanged. Well what do you know? Galileo Galilei and Copernicus did the whole human civilisation a favour by exposing this faux pas of the millenium. Since then the content of the aforementioned book has changed to accomodate the new discovery. Who knows how many "editions" to the book has been done?

Bart D. Ehrman is an American New Testament scholar and textual critic of early Christianity. He is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor and Chair of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He has researched the source materials for the Bible. His research proposes that the Biblical text was unintentionally altered by scribes and intentionally altered for a variety of reasons.

A second major theme that runs through his more recent works is the analysis of why such biblical variations are there. The vast majority of the literally hundreds of thousands of differences are due to the unintentional mistakes of scribes.[8] These variations have little to no effect on the meaning of the passages or core tenets of Christian dogma. Changes were made, however, that Ehrman believes with near certainty could not have been mistakes, but were in fact purposeful alterations by the early church fathers and theologians to mold the early Christian writings into what they felt they needed to support their agenda and/or interpretation of Christianity.

Two key examples will be given here to illustrate the critical nature of the variations. Two of the most striking additions that could not possibly be attributed to unintentional scribal error occur in the last 12 verses of the Gospel of Mark and in 1 John.

In the Gospel of Mark, Ehrman claims that the last 12 verses have been added on to the original text many years later.[8] Unlike some other scribal errors that had little bearing on the major tenets of Christian dogma, this addition to the text has had vast ramifications. In Mark, Jesus' reappearance to his disciples is mentioned only in the 12 verses that were added to the original. Ehrman indicates that when one considers that the Gospel of Mark is generally regarded to be the earliest of the three synoptic gospels, and most likely one of the primary sources for the Gospels of both Matthew and Luke, it becomes apparent that the addition of these 12 verses could have had a monumental effect.

In 1 John, where we find a well known Biblical reference to the doctrine of the Trinity, Ehrman notes that this section appears in no Greek manuscript before the 9th century.[8]
-Bart D. Ehrman

3. Praying of inaminate objects= praying to the devil? Well the devil hides in the candles, the chandeliers and the many statues you have within your halls. HarHar. Last time I checked the entity has an inclination to inhabit things in the shape of the letter X... which when turned ....

4. As how civilised or advanced a society is judged by the way it treats its animals;
How good or benevolent a religion is can be judged by how its "apostates" (for the lack of a better term) are treated. Well, now there's homework for you!

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."(Deuteronomy 13:6-9)

"And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, ...and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."(Deuteronomy 17:3-5)

Catharism was a name given to a radical Christian religious sect with dualistic and gnostic elements that appeared in the Languedoc region of France in the 11th century and flourished in the 12th and 13th centuries. The Catholic Church regarded the sect as dangerously heretical and in 1208 C.E., the Pope unleashed a crusade known as the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars. In the ensuing 20-year military campaign, thousands of apostates were executed including 7000 residents of a town called Beziers, who were locked and burnt in a church. According to historians, a horrified onlooker rushed to the papal gates and reminded the crusaders that the some Christians were still trapped in the church together with the Cathars. The officer overseeing the massacre then made a remark that has resounded through the centuries: “Kill them all. God will know his own”[7]

Indeed. All religions should be benevolent. If death is the threat from renouncement of religion, wouldn't it be akin to embracing the "devil"? where to leave is to die?

In Islam, apostasy is called "ridda" ("turning back") and is considered to be a profound insult to God. A person born of Muslim parents that rejects Islam is called a "murtad fitri" (natural apostate), and a person that converted to Islam and later rejects the religion is called a "murtad milli" (apostate from the community).[citation needed]

According to most scholars, if a Muslim consciously and without coercion declares their rejection of Islam and does not change their mind after the time given to him/her by a judge for research, then the penalty for male apostates is death, and for women, life imprisonment. Today apostasy is punishable by death in the countries of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Mauritania and the Comoros

Kill whoever changes his religion. Sahih Bukhari 9:84:57

In 2006, Abdul Rahman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_(convert) the Afghan convert from Islam to Christianity has attracted worldwide attention about where Islam stood on religious freedom. Prosecutors asked for the death penalty for him. However, under heavy pressure from foreign governments, the Afghan government claimed he was mentally unfit to stand trial and released him.

"The so-called ******** nations are the most enlightened and progressive ... but in spite of their religion, not because of it. The Chu*** has opposed every innovation and discovery from the day of Galileo down to our own time, when the use of anesthetic in childbirth was regarded as a sin because it avoided the biblical curse pronounced against Eve. And every step in astronomy and geology ever taken has been opposed by bigotry and superstition. The Greeks surpassed us in artistic culture and in architecture five hundred years before ****** religion was born."
— Mark Twain

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posted by someone who has been harangued mercilessly over and over her choice of religion.

...... Hmmmm.... things to ponder upon... don't you think?

Still I believe the problems we have in regards to religion are because of the people practising it, not the inherent nature by itself, as religion, can be a tool, and is manipulated by many... think of the many wars that are fought, think how it was used as a tool of oppression by flipping through the pages of history, and you will understand.

I anticipate flak towards this post. But keep your mind open, do not hide into your shell when your faith is being questioned, think logically. For this is how we, the general population feel when you question our faith and practices.

Atheist n. A person to be pitied in that he is unable to believe things for which there is no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of a convenient means of feeling superior to others."
— Chaz Bufe

1 comment:

  1. miao..i nv read the whole thing la..but i think u got a point la.. got 1 ancient fella(i forget who) said: "We don't even know everything about life, why want worry yourself about the afterlife!"
    You may get a scolding or 2 for this post,may even get ISA haha, but trust me, the things a certain denomination of religion write about other religion, makes ur post look like enid blyton story hahahha

    So, don't stoop so low to their level la....they 1 to say us, we listen and smile and make them look stupid :)

    We are civilised, we have our own believes. People give us shit, dun accept the shit and give them more shit. If u do the whole place will be shitty and everybody become shitface(ok ok i noe i talk cock hahaha). Just don accept the shit and leave them with their shit la haha..Now they are shitty and we are not,so we are happy rite and hope they are happy with their shit la haha

    so in conclusion hor, i think if we also write things condeming other people hor, we are same level as them lor...

    what make us different is we can use our brain, do research(like u do) before we say anything. But we can go 1 step ahead by analysing what consequence everyone get by our statements! Considering this,we are more sensitive and self restrained to talk shit!(why i like to say shit? haha)

    If we find their ideas a bit shitty(crap..why i shit so much?) through our own research, we may tell them POLITELY that we disagree and why we disagree. Leave it to that. they may be offended and hold on to their ideas, that;s their choice,but be sure that we,who know whats rite and wrong, cling on to our findings! :)(macam dhamma speaker tak? haha)

    Kalama sutta : Ma pitakasampadanena-->do not belief anything merely because it is cited in the holy book.
    That's 1 advice i always tell my juniors in MBYS. I always encourage them to question whatever they are given and do experiment to prove it.(although most juniors think i'm mad and ignore this sob sob :( )

    Dun make anyone angry lo...if not the whole place shitty and i have to talk about shit again haha



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